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Quad 405, Hafler 110, Kef 104

 
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ceda
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:20 am    Post subject: Quad 405, Hafler 110, Kef 104 Reply with quote

Hi there,

I am new here, so I just whant to say Hi to all of You!


What You think about Quad 405, Hafler 110, and Kef 104 combination?

Tnx
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi and welcome,
Model 104 had a very low impedance over a small frequency band at crossover. There was a dip to below 3 Ohms (resistive part) around 3 kHz. This can cause the 405 to current limit at high level. If it happens it is obvious. The power amp output bounces between the rails making a nasty sharp cracking noise. It is not subtle. A deaf man could hear it!

Changing to 104aB and/or 405-2 fixes the problem. OTOH if you don't play so loud, forget what I said and don't worry about it.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank You for the info.

The 405 is refreshed (critical parts) and to me works just nice.

I forgot to say..

What You think about Hafler?
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a great respect for Hafler products here in the UK.
This was a great many years ago, sadly I have not seen any Haffler equipment for a long time, my last contact was with the very popular Hafler Pre-Amplifier made in the 1970s.

The Pre-Amplifier in question was the utterly sweet sounding HD-101.
A glorious beast in those heady days with oodles of information and dynamic headroom, lovely!
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It works just fine but only thing I found bad in this combination is that You can't turn the volume up properly because it becomes so loud very quickly (first quarter of knob).

English amp & American preamp...

Thanks for Your post.

Cheers.
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ceda wrote:
It works just fine but only thing I found bad in this combination is that You can't turn the volume up properly because it becomes so loud very quickly (first quarter of knob).English amp & American preamp...Thanks for Your post.Cheers.


Alering the gain should be quite easy on one of the units, or an in-line attenuator perhaps?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Alering the gain should be quite easy on one of the units, or an in-line attenuator perhaps?


A 3V up to 14V pre output is not good for the 0.5V Quad 405 maximum input for full power, no wonder there's no control over the volume!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK.
So, what is the best thing to do?

Thanks for Your attention on this matter.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make up a stereo pre to power lead with a 1350R component in series with the signal and a 150R from signal to earth for 20dB attenuation.

Or stick in the 405 input or stick in the Hafler output.

You'll need 5% (or better) resistors for each channel as you don't have a balance control.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: hafler goes to another Reply with quote

I get Luxman sq-700x and with quad it sings perfect!
Now I can hear what kef 104's does...

Outstanding sound!

Thank You all for your advices.

Regards!

Ceda

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