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Craigb
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:04 am    Post subject: Agony Aunt Please help Reply with quote

Dear Agony Aunt,

I have a big problem that I hope that you can help me with.

I have access to listen to several KEF based Transmission line designs as well as Concertos, Calindas, 104ab(kits), 103.2s, C80s, C60s, even the occasional Carlton and/or a Celeste, right down to a C15.

But today I hooked up a TDL RTL2 and it actually sounded great! I really enjoyed listening to it. Am I being possessed?

Does this mean i am moving to the dark side? What can I do?

Regards

Confused.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Agony Aunt Please help Reply with quote

Dear Lost and Confused,

The RTL2 is a fine loudspeaker and if it is important to you (it is to me) the soundstage is laser sharp, certainly better than any multi unit IMF designs I have heard. It seems faster on bass transients and agile.

If you like it then enter the dark side, especially if the price is right.

Agony Andrew.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that. Great advice.

After spending more time listening I have worked out that it is the difference in delivery that has attracted me. I have always loved the laid back sound of KEFs and will never lose that. The TDLs are much more "in your face"(Brighter?) and the sound stage is impressive. I am now eager to see if I can find better speced examples but they seem rare in our neck of the woods.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly "in your face" but not over the top.
To me they have a "German" sound. Shocked
These are no longer manufactured, where did you hear them?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I owned a pair of RTL3’s back in the late 90’s. Loved them! Their full sound and speed were intoxicating. They certainly made for an exhilarating sound, and could be driven with mere watts. I would still love to have a pair today. I say embrace the ‘dark side’ and let loose your audio inhibitions…
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say, Ive also fallen for the TL thing by listening to some £7k PMC's (cannot remember the model)

Bass..... Hmmmmm leervly

Tempting!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

clubsport911 wrote:
I have to say, Ive also fallen for the TL thing by listening to some £7k PMC's (cannot remember the model)
Bass..... Hmmmmm leervly Tempting!


Groan... Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say, Ive also fallen for the TL thing..............
by listening to the Cambridge Audio TL 200.
Please no groans...... three of the four speakers used in them are Kef-made. I think it's a beautifull combination, B-139 and TL.
They really produce a powerfull bass, great mids (due to the B110's) and a sparkling high. The first TL's i ever heard and i was astonished. Build me a pair of B-200 based Bailey tl's and since then i never wanted anything else than tl. I think it's the openess and ease of the sound which does it for me.
Thank God i could buy a pair a oouple of years ago.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TL 200 wrote:
I have to say, Ive also fallen for the TL thing...
by listening to the Cambridge Audio TL 200.
Please no groans... three of the four speakers used in them are KEF-made. I think it's a beautifull combination, B-139 and TL.
They really produce a powerfull bass, great mids (due to the B110's) and a sparkling high. The first TL's I ever heard and i was astonished. Build me a pair of B-200 based Rogers TL's and since then I never wanted anything else than TL. I think it's the openess and ease of the sound which does it for me.
Thank God I could buy a pair a oouple of years ago.


You misunderstood the reason for the original groan... Smile

I have little against the TL loading or Labyrinth transducer configuration.
Properly designed and built they are formidable.
PLease remember that I was listening to IMF TLs and building Labyrynth loaded transducers from the early 1970s onwards.
Please go to link and scroll down to the 4th row.
Photobucket are doing strange things to their site at the moment so description may not be there below the pictures.

http://s891.beta.photobucket.com/user/AndyGoloskof/library/?#/user/AndyGoloskof/library/?&_suid=135378022042108668309829322447
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Properly designed and built they are formidable.

I was just kidding about the groan, but i dare to say that mr. B.J. Webb designed a great speaker, maybe better known under it's original name R50.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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description may not be there below the pictures.
I guess you mean the Richters, they look like big ones to me. Would like to see some drawings of the cabinets, do you have a link?
the description is next to the picture under "media info". Can you tell me how long the labyrinths are?
TL 200 has an 83" (about 211 cm) long one .
You know, sometimes size does matter Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The MKV Ricther was nothing more than a streched version of the Bailey TL or Labyrynth published in 'Wireless World' in 1972. THe main difference was the ribbon tweeter.

The length was just under twice that of the original and was extremely difficult to get to work properly.

Crossover was changed many times before the speakers were "Tri-Amped"
Later with yet more tweaks the B110 was changed for a different version with yet more alterations to the crossover.

Link: http://tinyurl.com/d8tk7tj
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny, the Bailey's i build are the ones in figure 1.
I used B200 SP1054 and an Audax Tweeter (HD100D25 as i remember well).
Don't know about the X-overs, bought the whole thing as a DIY kit. Later i had a pair of X-O's build by a HiFi-dealer. Took some time with the damping material to get them sound good. I used bitumen, 1 cm thick woolen carpet and 2,5 cm BAF sheet to tune them.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the delay, but I've been off to the land of Oz for a short break.

Looks like this thread has gone off topic somewhat. I was not debating the merits of TL designs, which I have alot of opinions of, but the merits of a speaker not much bigger than my 103.2s that create a great sound that is so different from what I usually listen to.

To answer Proffski I got these a couple of years ago on our local internet auction site at a very reasonable price, tested them out and then put them in storage, which was a big mistake. Now That I have found the time to really put them through there paces, I was blown away. I am keen to see if I can snare some more upmarket versions but they come by here very rarely.

If I had to choose between these and my 103.2s I still think the 103.2 would win, but for me it would be close.
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