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Some general KEF questions for Colin and others....

 
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adam_audio
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:25 am    Post subject: Some general KEF questions for Colin and others.... Reply with quote

I am in love with the KEF family sound....so far with my Cantatas and 105.2s. I am particularly taken by the musicality of the B110 midrange. Also, the T52 tweeter sounds very smooth. Even so...there are still moments where I find my system to be bright. I think this is more a reflection of my personal intolerance for high frequency information that a problem with my gear...but I still am curious:

1) Is the T52 the "smoothest" sounding KEF tweeter? I've been told that the T27 is a little more agressive. If not the T52, the what is the most mellow sounding tweeter KEF ever made?

2) What is the most relaxed, lush, and smooth sounding speaker KEF ever made utilizing the B110 midrange? The 105.2?

3) Colin, I know that in a private email you once recommended some other speakers to me...I think there was a Tangent model and some other stuff. Knowing that I want something as non-fatiguing as Quad 57s that sounds like satin, could you give me some recommendations? I'm always looking to hear other speakers....it's a bit of an obsession!

Cheers,

adam
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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there are still moments where I find my system to be bright

This is probably down to the source material as I've some really rough sounding LP's and CD's too.
If you want to make any speaker sound really bad use UK DAB Radio as a source Crying or Very sad .
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Is the T52 the "smoothest" sounding KEF tweeter

Probably yes, I've had little exposure to the T15 as "its outside the scope of my collection". The T33 is as "spitty as the T27 it replaced.
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What is the most relaxed, lush, and smooth sounding speaker KEF ever made utilizing the B110 midrange

Probably the Cantata.
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you once recommended some other speakers to me

Yes, there was the KEF endowed RS6(?) and the Fried Model H, but if you're interested in T52/B110 combinations seek out some Meridian M2, M10 or M100 actives. The M100 is probably the most laid back of the lot, as it uses Quad 405 power amplifiers. Being a Quad fan I'm not quite sure who would be the most appropriate firm to service M100's though Rolling Eyes as a fence just separates both service sections in Huntingdon Shocked .
Alternative ELS type presentation will require some work and no back problems, as you're going to have to seek out some "real" Cambridge Audio R50's or another Bert Webb design like the Lentek. The Audio Amateur/ Wireless World home build if well built would be a nice alternative. Avoid the Roger's R50 as the B110 is not in a transmission line, so it looses a bit of definition.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm interested in ANY speakers you know of....KEF or not...that have the Cantata-like smoothness. The reason I've asked you, Colin, is that it's obvious that you have immpeccable taste in this regard.

The Meridian stuff you mentioned is out of the question, though. I can't do squalid state. Wink

It's interesting that you find the Cantata to be the most smooth...more so than it's larger brother. Initially I found this to be the case, but then observed that the Cantata had a slight edge to it compared to the 105.2. The 105.2 perhaps sounds more smooth because it is actually more transparent due to the cabinet...or lack thereof. The Cantata, of course, suffers from that absurd plastic cover that houses the crossover controls and creates that cavitiy in there that results in diffraction city and a bit of a cheap feel when compared to the 105.2. The Cantata, however, does seem to sound a little more full with better mid-bass. The 105.2 holds it's own though, because it goes deeper...has more accurate bass, though lacking in mid-band punch...and sounds larger/has bigger soundstage than the Cantata.

In any case, I think I may have solved some of my bass issues and the occasional brightness I was experiencing by trying out a new power amp. It seems to have tightened up the bass and is producing a much more natural, less top-heavy presentation. Bass is now tighter than ever before and the highs are smooth as silk. Here's the INCREDIBLE thing: You're not going to believe this, but the amp that was making bass sound soggy was a 50wpc tube stereo amp. The amp that has killer defined bass and drives the 105.2s without a hint of limitation...even at volume extremes....is none other than a pair of 12wpc 6BQ5 mono amplifiers! Is that wild or what??
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: Some general KEF questions for Colin and others.... Reply with quote

The T52 is a VERY smooth tweeter I have used them and measured them
Brightness is the source material
Its an old design by Raymond Cooke but is still quite advanced, Alnico magnet, rear chamber low resonance ~600-700hz.



adam_audio wrote:
I am in love with the KEF family sound....so far with my Cantatas and 105.2s. I am particularly taken by the musicality of the B110 midrange. Also, the T52 tweeter sounds very smooth. Even so...there are still moments where I find my system to be bright. I think this is more a reflection of my personal intolerance for high frequency information that a problem with my gear...but I still am curious:

1) Is the T52 the "smoothest" sounding KEF tweeter? I've been told that the T27 is a little more agressive. If not the T52, the what is the most mellow sounding tweeter KEF ever made?

2) What is the most relaxed, lush, and smooth sounding speaker KEF ever made utilizing the B110 midrange? The 105.2?

3) Colin, I know that in a private email you once recommended some other speakers to me...I think there was a Tangent model and some other stuff. Knowing that I want something as non-fatiguing as Quad 57s that sounds like satin, could you give me some recommendations? I'm always looking to hear other speakers....it's a bit of an obsession!

Cheers,

adam
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:08 am    Post subject: smooth sounding kefs Reply with quote

I've had a pair of Canatas for some 15 yrs and I love them. I paid £80.00 from a specialist hi-fi dealer. I liked them when I first heard them at the shop, even more when I got them home!

I clearly don't have Colin's experience of other kef designs, though I have had the opportunity to compare the cantatas at home against two others of similar size:

Tannoy DC3000s; (bought in a house clearance deal with Quad amps. and thorens deck). I thought they were truly awful (I suppose someone must like them) but I was happy with the profit I made!

Monitor Audio MA1s; (bass reflex design with kef drivers - which I obtained for a friend who wanted a pair of 'big' speakers). I liked them (and still do). I could have kept them myself but chose to keep the Cantatas!

Best regards, John W Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam, where do you live? USA?

you say you have a low tolerance for bright high frequencies. what about some vintage bozak symphonies or 302A Urbans?

if you want lush mids, tight bass, but somewhat polite high frequencies (i.e. rolled off) you can not do better.

my 302A Urban's soundstage is a bit blurry, but it is HUGE! and vocals wrap right around you.

Robby
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